House Hearing on SEC Equity Market Structure Proposals
Yesterday the House Financial Services Committee held a hearing on the SEC's equity market structure proposals - needless to say just from the title of the hearing (Solutions in Search of a Problem), this was a completely biased hearing with pre-judged conclusions.
Ordinarily I'd encourage you to watch something like this, and you're welcome to, but my final tweet on it kind of sums it up: "Hearing is over. Anyone who listened to it is that much dumber. Myself included."
The three pending equity market structure proposals (which We The Investors broadly support, with reasonable changes) are:
Regulation NMS (new quoting/trading increments, access fee cap and market data improvements)
Regulation Best Execution (a best ex standard for the SEC to enforce, instead of the current FINRA/MSRB rules)
Order Competition Rule (OCR: would push most marketable retail orders away from wholesalers and on to lit exchanges)
Still, here's a bit of a report/overview of the hearing. There were five witnesses:
I don't know Kevin Kennedy or Ari Rubenstein, but the other three I know well. Generally speaking, I think they're thoughtful people on market structure, and of course I tend to agree very much with John from IEX (less so with Justin Schack, and unfortunately very little with what Professor Brogaard said). But I think overall the hearing missed a voice to provide the kind of support that these proposals deserve. Because they're overall decent proposals, with broad support for the most part, but are being mischaracterized and misrepresented.
There were a couple of consistent themes to the hearing:
Stall any new rules as much as possible. The primary red herring here was focused on Rule 605, which was recently adopted by the SEC - but which does not become effective for 18 months. Many members of Congress and most of the witnesses (except for IEX) said that the SEC should wait for Rule 605 in order to pass any new rules, and that the SEC had used existing (outdated) Rule 605 reports in their justification for the other new rules. This is, of course, completely false, and it was disappointing to see it repeated by the witnesses. They all know that the SEC, while it sometimes cited current Rule 605 reports, nearly always acknowledged their shortcomings, and supplemented the analysis with CAT data. The SEC does not need Rule 605 data - that data is for public disclosure to aid investors choices based on market/execution quality. The SEC has access to CAT data, and provided an unprecedented level of transparency and analysis in the rule proposals.
Mischaracterization of rule impacts. Regulation Best Ex was the primary victim here, although Nasdaq made several points on the access fee cap that could fall under this. Most witnesses said that FINRA's approach to Best Ex is sufficient, and that the SEC doesn't need its own rule to enforce (if the SEC wants to take over enforcement of Best Ex, of course it DOES need its own rule). Witnesses also lamented the confusion that would result in the industry from having multiple Best Ex rules (they ignored the fact that FINRA has already said it would change its rule so there would be no conflicts between its rule and the SEC's rule). Once again, misinformation was rampant.
Ignoring and cherry-picking data. For the Order Competition Rule, there was constant defense of the current system of wholesalers and PFOF. Professor Brogaard especially made the claim that there was ample competition between wholesalers (this is quantitatively untrue, and has been shown as such through multiple studies) and that retail investors would be worse off if their orders were sent to lit exchanges where they could be competed over (this is just a silly claim). The same old tropes were repeated about wholesalers providing good execution in low liquidity names (they don't) and that they are providing some magical service that could not possibly be replicated in a competitive, open environment (again, untrue). The tick size pilot was cited as a massive failure (it wasn't, it was just poorly designed, but there's plenty of good data in it showing the benefits of both a trade-at rule and of engineering tick sizes intelligently).
Another oft-repeated trope was that America's markets are the best in the world, and that retail investors have never had it better. As we showed in our comment letter on the OCR, America's markets are NOT the best in the world, they're simply the biggest - other markets are more efficient than we are, and that's primarily due to our high level of off-exchange trading. In terms of retail investors, the most common complaint from the witnesses was that these SEC changes would result in the end of zero commission trading - once again, completely untrue. Plenty of markets around the world restrict off-exchange trading and still have zero commission trading. As the SEC showed in the OCR proposal, PFOF rates average $0.20 per order, which is nothing near the level of commissions brokers used to charge.
One important point worth mentioning - John from IEX consistently told the Committee that the SEC did not need any additional analysis, and he defended the Reg NMS changes well. He made a compelling case for those updates, which is easy because they're good changes that nearly everyone supports. Except for Nasdaq and the other exchanges, who have been vocal in their opposition.
I don't think it's worth repeating my entire Twitter thread on the hearing - you're welcome to check it out if you want the full play-by-play. Instead, I'll leave you with this image I used to fact check the claim made by one of the witnesses and one of the members of Congress that the SEC has not had enforcement actions against PFOF brokers because the system is so good, which is obviously untrue:
"America has the greatest markets in the world". Reminds me of the opening of ^ the Newsroom, which, In my opinion, was the greatest TV show to ever air.
I find it uniquely interesting, that despite all of the pomp and circumstance, the majority of people in these meetings, never read proposals, and the majority of viewers usually don't either. The sheer level of echoing ignorance has permeated everything; not just the markets. I had a lengthy conversation about stocks, value picks, and the SPY top 15 with someone who knew nothing about the markets- he recently left the Armed Service and is getting reacquainted with Civilian life- and he was shocked that companies like Netflix have higher valuations than McDonald's. The concept of an overvalued or undervalued company had never crossed his mind; which is pretty fascinating since he is a nuclear engineer, and by no means lacking in mental prowess. I live streamed him my excel spreadsheets of what I'd been looking at and just chatted data for hours. He mentioned that he was surprised he'd never engaged with the data, and truthfully just had a blind-spot in the stock market, since he'd been told "It's a casino".
I think we as a cultural element need to hold everything up to the light. If someone says "I hate Asparagus" its time to ask the obvious question, and force an answer out of them. Asparagus is good, and good for you, and if you aren't cooking it right, you might not enjoy it. Everyone needs to engage with topics of their interest and really understand them; having cursory understandings and TLDR's are killing discourse in real time.
I think this post is a perfect example of how to clarify and enlighten others on the topic, and it is imperative that others do this for their area's of expertise.
I remember that opening so well - it blew me away! I got so excited for that show, which of course was pretty good but I didn't think ever really lived up to its promise. I agree with you - it's easy to spread this misinformation when you either get paid to look the other way or simply do so through incompetence.
Thanks for the write up. I listened in to part of the hearing, and I was blown away by the misinformation. I haven't kept up with all the details of these proposals, but I know some basics.
I am going to be reaching out to my representatives over this embarrassment.
I was so severely taken aback by the blatant bias just shoved into this hearing. I don’t regularly watch any hearings but I was glad to tune into this one and can’t believe what was being said. Even state representatives stuffing in “We really struggle with these guys” in reference to the SEC like they’re a petulant child in dire need of redirection. There was so much talk of what’s good for the retail investor and most of these commenters seemed to lack any shred of a link to the “retail investor”.
Its extremely frustrating to see this when so much else seems to be a lost cause but I’m trying to find the bright side here.
Did you notice that the guy who (apparently) pushed the strongest against the proposals was the only witness who was a professor? I find it really interesting in what ways they were pushing their narrative. Give more credibikity to those who agree with your side and less to the others.
Thank you for helping the American people! I will write to my representatives. Your words are very easy to understand for my smooth brain and I thank you for that because now I can pass the information along to others. Keep fighting Dave the people support you!
I listened as long as I could stand it whilst screaming into the monitor! Needless to say that wasn’t very long! lol thanks for the write up Dave. I guess my biggest question is how the heck do we get more folks in the public to see the ridiculous misinformation and half truths or even no truths of these self serving politicians and lobbyists? How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision when the information is funneled to sway your opinion whatever direction the government wants? It’s problematic to say the least.
Excellent summary, Dave! In my opinion, most senators don't understand market mechanics at all.
They're simply given detailed memos from their bosses, i.e., market makers, hedge funds, and banks, on how to think and what to say... after their lobbyists' cheques clear, they believe they did a fantastic job. SMH
Agreed. I wonder why he wasn't invited to last night's "debate." Probably for that exact reason. Seems pretty clear that they don't want anyone even thinking about a third option, let alone someone who is not on-board with the current status-quo.
Dave has there been any discussion of which presidential candidate should be backed if we want these reforms taken seriously? Would a turnover in SEC management be helpful or hurtful to the cause? I'm asking this in a vacuum, taking no other factors into account.
As far as I remember, under Trump the administration was generally taking a deregulative stance. Which we can still feel with all the decisions that the Supreme Court is making.
The current SEC has been very agressive in pushing new rules and was doing that under the current government. Gary Gensler has been doing far more than most before him if you look at the number of rule proposals etc.
Dave has there been any discussion of which presidential candidate should be backed if we want these reforms taken seriously? Would a turnover in SEC management be helpful or hurtful to the cause? I'm asking this in a vacuum, taking no other factors into account.
Yesterday the House Financial Services Committee held a hearing on the SEC's equity market structure proposals - needless to say just from the title of the hearing (Solutions in Search of a Problem), this was a completely biased hearing with pre-judged conclusions.
Ordinarily I'd encourage you to watch something like this, and you're welcome to, but my final tweet on it kind of sums it up: "Hearing is over. Anyone who listened to it is that much dumber. Myself included."
The three pending equity market structure proposals (which We The Investors broadly support, with reasonable changes) are:
Still, here's a bit of a report/overview of the hearing. There were five witnesses:
I don't know Kevin Kennedy or Ari Rubenstein, but the other three I know well. Generally speaking, I think they're thoughtful people on market structure, and of course I tend to agree very much with John from IEX (less so with Justin Schack, and unfortunately very little with what Professor Brogaard said). But I think overall the hearing missed a voice to provide the kind of support that these proposals deserve. Because they're overall decent proposals, with broad support for the most part, but are being mischaracterized and misrepresented.
There were a couple of consistent themes to the hearing:
One important point worth mentioning - John from IEX consistently told the Committee that the SEC did not need any additional analysis, and he defended the Reg NMS changes well. He made a compelling case for those updates, which is easy because they're good changes that nearly everyone supports. Except for Nasdaq and the other exchanges, who have been vocal in their opposition.
I don't think it's worth repeating my entire Twitter thread on the hearing - you're welcome to check it out if you want the full play-by-play. Instead, I'll leave you with this image I used to fact check the claim made by one of the witnesses and one of the members of Congress that the SEC has not had enforcement actions against PFOF brokers because the system is so good, which is obviously untrue:
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I think this post is a perfect example of how to clarify and enlighten others on the topic, and it is imperative that others do this for their area's of expertise.
I remember that opening so well - it blew me away! I got so excited for that show, which of course was pretty good but I didn't think ever really lived up to its promise. I agree with you - it's easy to spread this misinformation when you either get paid to look the other way or simply do so through incompetence.
Thanks for the write up. I listened in to part of the hearing, and I was blown away by the misinformation. I haven't kept up with all the details of these proposals, but I know some basics.
I am going to be reaching out to my representatives over this embarrassment.
Good on you! Everyone needs to let their members of Congress know that these are important issues, and that you support them.
I was so severely taken aback by the blatant bias just shoved into this hearing. I don’t regularly watch any hearings but I was glad to tune into this one and can’t believe what was being said. Even state representatives stuffing in “We really struggle with these guys” in reference to the SEC like they’re a petulant child in dire need of redirection. There was so much talk of what’s good for the retail investor and most of these commenters seemed to lack any shred of a link to the “retail investor”.
Its extremely frustrating to see this when so much else seems to be a lost cause but I’m trying to find the bright side here.
I think we still need to push Congress on these issues, and if their constituents contact them it will help.
Did you notice that the guy who (apparently) pushed the strongest against the proposals was the only witness who was a professor? I find it really interesting in what ways they were pushing their narrative. Give more credibikity to those who agree with your side and less to the others.
Thank you for helping the American people! I will write to my representatives. Your words are very easy to understand for my smooth brain and I thank you for that because now I can pass the information along to others. Keep fighting Dave the people support you!
I listened as long as I could stand it whilst screaming into the monitor! Needless to say that wasn’t very long! lol thanks for the write up Dave. I guess my biggest question is how the heck do we get more folks in the public to see the ridiculous misinformation and half truths or even no truths of these self serving politicians and lobbyists? How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision when the information is funneled to sway your opinion whatever direction the government wants? It’s problematic to say the least.
Excellent summary, Dave! In my opinion, most senators don't understand market mechanics at all.
They're simply given detailed memos from their bosses, i.e., market makers, hedge funds, and banks, on how to think and what to say... after their lobbyists' cheques clear, they believe they did a fantastic job. SMH
Oh I think that's 100% accurate - they do their donors' bidding.
Thank you Dave. Hopefully RFK wins as he's the most vocal critic of corporate capture.
Agreed. I wonder why he wasn't invited to last night's "debate." Probably for that exact reason. Seems pretty clear that they don't want anyone even thinking about a third option, let alone someone who is not on-board with the current status-quo.
Thank you for the overview Dave! How can we better help the SEC with it's desire for better regulations?
Dave has there been any discussion of which presidential candidate should be backed if we want these reforms taken seriously? Would a turnover in SEC management be helpful or hurtful to the cause? I'm asking this in a vacuum, taking no other factors into account.
As far as I remember, under Trump the administration was generally taking a deregulative stance. Which we can still feel with all the decisions that the Supreme Court is making.
The current SEC has been very agressive in pushing new rules and was doing that under the current government. Gary Gensler has been doing far more than most before him if you look at the number of rule proposals etc.
That title is tso blatantly obviously biased... who chose it and how could they get away with it?
Dave has there been any discussion of which presidential candidate should be backed if we want these reforms taken seriously? Would a turnover in SEC management be helpful or hurtful to the cause? I'm asking this in a vacuum, taking no other factors into account.